Tuesday, August 02, 2011

Classism, Ageism, Racism?

The Journal Times today reports a new RUSD policy wherein a photo ID is required to attend a football game. Why would RUSD want to discriminate against the poor, the elderly, and minorities?


Sean Cranley said...

Lightning bolt to Denis, you can't VOTE a student ID.

Anonymous said...

Lightning bolt to Sean - you think the general public that goes to a RUSD event will have a student id??

Sean Cranley said...

Well in an apples to oranges comparison it's only the privaledge of attending high school football games. It's not like their messing with the legitimate RIGHT of citizens in a "democracy" to vote, right?

And they probably had legitimate reasons to take this step which is a response that meets legal criteria proportionality with regard to the problem.

Whereas the Voter ID bill is a solution in search of a problem that doesn't really exist in way that is proportional to the draconian measure the Republicons imposed, which is totally about the national agenda of the Fascist American Legislative Exchange Council - FALEC, a bunch of corporatist dicks who want to supress the legitimate rights of citizens who tend to vote Democratic for the sole purpose of selfish political advantage.

They are teabaggy traitors to democracy.

Anonymous said...

Blah, Blah, Blah, Sean. Take the wingnut tin-foil hat off! You really should re-read what you just wrote. Amazing. Spoken like a true socialist beliver. The only thing you missed was a Koch brother reference. Try harder. Most corporate dicks play both sides of the street. Small business guys (with no real power other than numbers) are more principled. And we don't like having our votes stolen. Did you see the barbeque sauce on those Milwaukee ballots?

Sean Cranley said...

No tin foil here Ano, your votes ARE NOT stolen, that's the point and that's the truth, whether it suits your new jim crow Cult of Con dogma or not.

You will ultimately lose your global war on reality.

Anonymous said...

Tell that to the dead people, peeps with addresses in between buildings, "students" who don't live in the district but absentee vote anyway! Busloads of Chicagoans who same day register with phony IDs. We know we are right on the facts, and aren't afraid to run on them. You can't. That's why your thugs (son of a congresswomen, son of the Acting mayor of milwaukee)slash the van tires of our get-out-the-vote vans, and then walk free. Not to mention pad your weak candidates by making stuff up, advertising it, and padding the registrations.

Sean Cranley said...

Other than the tire slashing which is reprehesible, all the rest of your accounts are pure unadulterated BS. If it weren't you'd be able to show stories about these instances from credible sources. But you can't because it's just BS propaganda.

I you can document it, bring on. JB Van Hollen investigated this stuff and come up with practically zilch. So if you think you can do better, knock yer self out!

Sean Cranley said...

I'm waiting Ano.

Anonymous said...

This is Sean Cranley and I agree with everything I tried to say.

Anonymous said...

Really, this is Sean Cranley and you better notice me.

Anonymous said...

Wait wait you morons - I have a PhD in Existential Narcisism and Climate Change from Gateway Technical College.

Sean Cranley said...

I'm still waiting for those well sourced examples of voter fraud.

It always amazes me that the Cult of Con indocrinants believe these wild conspiracy theories where operational secrecy is maintained among a large number of individuals committing a crime and great potential legal exposure to themselves to help some politician get elected with no tangeable benefit to themselves and assurance that their efforts will be anywhere near the margin necessary to change the outcome of an election. And they never get infiltrated or caught! It's mindbogglingly delusional.

But then you guys believe all kinds of fairytales, so I guess it shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Nemo said...

sean, you're back! You were kind of quite there for a while. I feared that you might have falled victim to an ACME contraption designed to trap Governor Walker. Such is often the case with the "Super Genius". Glad you're back and well.

BS propaganda, sean?

I give you Wisconsin statute 12.11 forbidding “election bribery,”.

So sean, explain why Ribs and prizes for votes is not election bribery.

Sean Cranley said...

The subject Nemo is voter ID/suppression and voter fraud (or the lack thereof). As I understand it groups on both sides are being investited for voter bribery and if guilty they should be punished. I certainly won't defend the practice by anyone. But it won't be stopped voter ID/supression.

Now bring on those documented and sourced examples of voter fraud you guys love to cry about, if you can.

Nemo said...

sean: "groups on both sides are being investited [sic]"

Really? I missed the investigation of the Conservative group. Please supply a link or retract.

Documented and sourced examples of voter fraud here.

That's just a small sample of fraud a reluctant, Dem controlled prosecutor's office charged. There is real evidence of much greater vote stealing in Milwaukee.

Time for you to go back to the ACME store and get another argument. That last one seems to have blown up in your face. Beep Beep! Heh.

Anonymous said...

Has Seany been gone? Betcha he was out doing experiments to test the global warming hypothesis. Seany knows that only experimentation can lead to a hypothesis and that the hypothesis has to be tested before it becomes a theory. Wait, no tests needed, no testable hypothesis needed. Poor Seany isn't even smart enough to help shred the raw data when that's needed. I hope they use green power sources for those shredders. Kneel before Zod, I mean Memo.

Sean Cranley said...

Of course you missed the allegations of vote bribery on the right Nemo, you get news from prefiltered sources. The allegations are that WI Right to Life and Family Action Coalition gave out gift cards worth $25-$75 for volunteers who met targets of getting people to FILL OUT Absentee Ballots: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/126733888.html

Your other links only bolster my case. In your first link of the total of 7 cases they got two people who voted twice, busted, good. Three were felons who voted, which would not be caught by voter ID anyway. The others were legitimate votes where a clerical mistake was made.

The second link is clear that the allegations of fraud wer not that at all, but clerical errors by poll workers.

So we disenfranchize thousands of legitimate wisconsin voters to stop two double voters who got caught and punished and had ZERO hope of changing the election results. Fools

The minimum reported cost of the voter ID bill is $5M.
That will now go up as DMV offices must exist in all 72 counties with a required number of hours of operation per week. So $2.5M+ per vote, money totally wasted for a political agenda. Not fiscally responsible at all.

Nemo said...

sean, you asked for evidence of vote fraud. I gave you some examples. Your argument that voter fraud in SE Wisconsin is "pure unadulterated BS" is thus disproved Q.E.D.

Now let's focus on some real "pure unadulterated BS".

sean, "disenfranchize thousands of legitimate wisconsin voters"

Name one. Heh.

Nemo said...

Sir Anon, Zod eah? Good catch, I thought it was an Obama 2012 poster to be released after the Sharia Law part of Obamacare takes effect, but you could be right. Heh.

Anonymous said...

Yes - it was Superman II. Those movies bring back memories. It still breaks my heart that I left my own parents back on Krypton. Now I wonder what the debate on fuel efficiency for interplanetary vehicles will be for 2025.

And I still can't believe how patient you and Denis are with Seany. I picture him around 5'8", 300 lbs, and often smoking a cig and stuffing down his third jumbo chilli dog while kvetching about selfish Republicans trying to take away his health care.

Nemo said...

"kvetching", good word Sir Anon. Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

A) From Scott Ross of One Wisconsin Now: Dear Friend:

Many of you have written to me in response to my email yesterday about the voter ID bill. Some of you were very enthusiastic in your support of our efforts to fight back against this assault on our voting rights. But others of you had questions about the bill, and wondered why we oppose requiring qualified voters to show an ID at the polls. "You have to show an ID to rent a video, why not to vote?" someone asked. "With all the voter fraud out there, I think voter ID is a good idea," another person wrote.

I want to address these questions and fully explain why this bill is wrong for Wisconsin.

First of all, the right to vote is guaranteed to citizens of Wisconsin in our state constitution. The right to rent a movie, open a checking account, go to the bar, get on an airplane or any other similar activity is not, and requiring an ID for these types of activities is not a barrier to exercising a constitutionally-protect right. Voter ID is fundamentally different.

There is absolutely no evidence of a widespread conspiracy to commit voter fraud.Wisconsin's Republican Attorney General JB Van Hollen has made prosecuting so-called voter fraud one of his top priorities. However, after a two year investigation into the 2008 election, Van Hollen has found a scant 11 potentially improper ballots out of nearly 3 million total votes cast. Of those, eight involved felons who voted while out in the community on probation or parole, a situation that voter ID would not remedy. That leaves 3 potentially bad votes out of 3,000,000 votes, or about 0.000001% of all votes cast. Voter ID is a solution in search of a problem.
The bill's authors, Republican Rep. Jeff Stone and Sen. Joe Leibham, have modeled their bill after Indiana's Voter ID law, which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court. According to the Supreme Court case upholding Indiana’s Voter ID bill, the lower court found “99 percent of Indiana’s voting age population already possesses the necessary photo identification to vote under the requirements.”

Wisconsin’s population is substantially less likely to have a state-issued identification. Those without state-issued photo identification and who would need to obtain one under the Wisconsin Voter ID bill include:
23 percent of all elderly Wisconsinites over the age of 65
17 percent of white men and women
55 percent of all African American males and 49 percent of African American women
46 percent of Hispanic men and 59% of Hispanic women
78 percent of African American males age 18-24 and 66 percent of African American women age 18-24 [Driver License Status of the Voting Age Population in Wisconsin, 6/05]

Sean Cranley said...

B) Continued: Yes, the bill as written does have a provision to provide free identification for some Wisconsinites. Each and every one of these people would have to take the time off (in many cases unpaid) from work or family obligations to flock to Wisconsin DMVs. However, access to the DMV is a problem in Wisconsin; Indiana provides its residents exponentially more access to its Department of Motor Vehicles offices to obtain identification.

Wisconsin and Indiana have similar voting age populations (4.35 million vs. 4,8 million), but Wisconsin is 50 percent larger geographically than Indiana (54,314 sq. miles vs. 35,870 sq. miles). Indiana not only provides its residents 50 percent more DMV offices than Wisconsin (140 to 91), but also nearly three times the total hours these facilities are open.

Also consider:
Twenty-six percent of Wisconsin’s 91 DMVs are open one day a month or less, while none of Indiana’s are open less than 100 days a year and nearly all are open over 250 days a year.
Wisconsin has only one DMV with weekend hours, while Indiana has 124 offices with weekend hours.
Three Wisconsin counties have no DMVs, no Indiana county is without a DMV.
Over half of Wisconsin’s 91 DMVs are open on a part-time basis, while Indiana provides full-time DMVs in every county. [Wisconsin DMV service centers and hours, by county; Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles, locations and hours]
The need to expand the numbers and operational hours of Wisconsin DMVs to provide appropriate access could increase the $70 million biennial Wisconsin DMV budget by as much as 50 percent on top of the current $5 million price tag to provide free identifications.

Requiring eligible voters to produce ID at the polls is an unnecessary hurdle to exercising our right to vote which will prevent many people from voting. The "widespread voter fraud" that this bill is aimed at "fixing" does not exist, and the microscopic number of double votes will be FAR outpaced by the number of people who will be prevented from voting by the voter ID requirement. In a time when Wisconsin faces a $3 billion budget deficit, we simply cannot afford to double the DMV budget. Voter ID is a big-government, budget-busting solution in search of a problem; a solution that will make it more difficult to practice our most fundamental right.

That is why we oppose voter ID. I hope this email helps to answer your questions about this bill. If you're ready to join this fight, please sign up for our Voter Protection Task Force to push back against this assault on our democratic rights.

Sorry for the long email, but thank you, as always, for everything you do.


One Wisconsin Now

Nemo said...

sean, you can't come up with one name? You claim that voter ID will disenfranchise masses and you can't give us one name. I would have thought that you could supply a bunch faster than an ACORN volunteer could forge a voter registration form. Heh.

Anonymous said...

Nemo, even if all that massive amount of text from Seany is cut and paste, at least it gives him a hobby. Sweet irony would be to require voter ID cards to get into RUSD football games. Oh the humanity . . .

Nemo said...

Sir Anon, I agree. It's good to have a hobby, even if it is cutting and pasting stale ramblings of union goons.

Still waiting for that one name sean. Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

I don't why a name is required by your criteria, lots people will be unable to vote, it doesn't matter what their fricken names are. If names are so important why don't you and Ano tell your names? Hypocrites.

My 96 year old Grandparents (who btw are life long Republicans, that is until the party went over edge starting with the bu$hites). I'm not giving you their names. They are very frail and getting them to the DMV and having them have to sit and wait is beyond what they are capable of. Yet they are still citizens and still sharp, my grandma read the newspaper everyday. they desrve respect and the right to vote. But you don't give a crap because your political agenda is more important!

My wife could give you lots of names of the disabled people she works with, some of whom can only get the specialized transportation they need if there is a MEDICAL requirement. Of course she'd be breaching confidentiality so you can't have their names either. But know that they exist and their names don't matter.

In your Cult of ill will and indifference, I know you don't give a rip about these citizens either. All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Sean Cranley said...

So he's union goon huh? Well, can you prove anything he said is incorrect? I'm gonna save myself the waiting and just say, "I didn't think so", now.

Anonymous said...

Why does he post and then post again? Does he agree or disagree with his previous post? Fun to watch. I was going to paste a copy of The Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner just so my post could win for longest and most irrelevant of the day. . .

Nemo said...

sean,",lots people will be unable to vote,".

Really? Name one. Oh wait, your wife knows a guy but the CIA would kill me if I learned his identity. Well, I can top that with a equally valid number. You see, I know these guys that said that they were going to commit so much voter fraud that they were going to be inducted into the Evil League of Evil. They have been foiled by Governor Walker and thus denied supervilliany. And there are more of them than your wife knows. Heh.

sean, "Well, can you prove anything he said is incorrect?"

Why yes, yes I can.

Goomba states,"In a time when Wisconsin faces a $3 billion budget deficit". The Walker budget has a 200 million dollar surplus.

Now really, you can't be the sean Cranley. I don't recall him being that easy to defeat. Who are you really? Denis? Sir Anon? You should know better than to lob softballs up in sean's name. Shame on you. Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

Well Nemo, the letter was written last spring before the new budget was passed so the statement was accurate at the time. Nice try though.

And thanks proving that you don't give a crap that citizens like my grandparents, former business owners and life long residents of Racine can no longer vote, thanks to your cynical politcal motives.

You truly are a jerk.

Nemo said...

sean, how was I to know that the rambling screed you cut and paste was from last spring? For assuming that you would copy and paste timely and correct information, I apologize. Given your past stale and overripe comments I guess I should have surmised that your last post was hopelessly outdated. Sorry. Heh.

I'm sorry that your grandparents have to endure the impossible task of getting an ID. In a perfect world, no such indignity would be necessary but I'm sure that they realize that the world is not without its flaws. In an unblemished universe they would not be cursed with such goofus progeny. Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

Well Nemo, you wouldn't have known it was last spring and it's not your fault that you assumed it was current. However, you used that information and your assumption to try to discredit me and the information provided. However, it turned out as it almost always does to my credit that information I presented was factual and my source honest.

And the main point of the piece, showing how infintesimal the voter fraud problem is, how expensive the disproportional "solution" is and how many Wisconsin citizens with a legitimate right to vote will have hurdles, insurmountable to some, thrown in their way is still both accurate and relevant.

And while I'm at it, let me continue to thank you for proving that you and folks like you don't give a crap that citizens like my grandparents, former business owners, former Republicans and life long residents of Racine can no longer vote, thanks to the cynical politcal motives of your FALEC masters.

You truly are a jerk.

Nemo said...

Would those grandparents be the 98 year old ones you cite at the Siren's' or the 96 year old ones you reference here?

Sean Cranley said...

I lose track of my own age half the time. Like I said with regard to your comment on typos, petty, just plain petty straw graspings.

Nemo said...

Spelling comment, eah? It took me a second to realize that you were referring to another comment thread and another post. I guess that not knowing your age and not knowing where you are go hand in hand.

Okay, focus sean. On this thread, you and your timeworn post seem to object to the voter ID law due to financial and franchise reasons. Since the Republican legislators and our Eagle Scout Governor restored the state to fiscal solvency, your hackneyed financial argument is void. Since the law was modeled after Indiana's voter ID law and Indiana's law was found by the Supreme Court of the United States not to put an undue burden on voters, your bromidic franchise argument is void. Did I miss anything else you're concerned about? The type of paper it was written on? The shade of ink used to sign it into law? Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

So it's O.K. for Republicons to spend money frivolously to solve a problem that essentially doesn't exist in order to disenfranchise citizens for the purpose of achieving power and advance a political agenda? Nice.

There is also the little matter addressed in the letter I posted regarding the close proximity and exended hours of operation for DMVs in Indiana as compared to Wiconsin. Addressing this issue if it is to be addressed will cost even more money.

Then there the question of whether the budget is balanced in the long run or just this year or thi biennium.

And finally there is the fact that my Grandparents and folks like them can no longer vote, thanks to the cynical politcal motives of your FALEC masters. But you've demonstrated that you don't give a crap about that.

You truly are a jerk.

Nemo said...

I do truly feel for your grandparents. It must be terrible for them to be cursed with such goofus progeny **shutter**. Heh.

Sean Cranley said...

No you don't, you're too much of a jerk. My Grandparents love me and I love them and they should be able to vote, you petty hypocritical jerk.

Nemo said...

Your 96, err wait, 98 year old grandparents can vote sean. If they really want to, they can ask their loving, bile filled, misspelling grandson to show his love and help them comply with the law.

Nemo said...

And this just in...

State Sen. Rich Zipperer (R-City of Pewaukee) said he’s standing behind the new voter ID bill passed by the Legislature this year and will personally help any person in the state who is concerned about being disenfranchised.

“Any constituent, or anybody in the state…if there’s an individual with a legal right to vote, have them contact me or my office and I will make sure they get properly registered and have an ID,” he said. “If you know any individual, bring them to my attention. Even if they don’t live in the 33rd Senate District, I’ll get them to the office of their senator.”

Republicans, helping individuals keep their right to vote and also insuring the integrity of that vote since 1954!

Nemo said...

Sorry, 1854!

Sean Cranley said...

Wrong again Nemo, as I pointed out before my grandparents (like other legitimate voters) are frail and cannot endure waiting in line at the DMV.

But you've proven that don't care because you're a big jerk.

What good are hollow promises from GOPster politicians to get people to their Senator's office? It's the DMV they need to go to. Is he going to make arrangements for disabled people who need special transportation? I doubt it, but I'll send that along to the agencies that work with people like that and we'll see.

The bottom line once again is that the this is a cynical grasp for political power to suppress the vote based on the pattently false premise of voter fraud being a threat to electoral integrity in Wisconsin and it wastes money we don't need to spend as a state


Nemo said...

sean, first to have you whine about the state wasting money is just funny. Thanks for the smile! Heh!!

Second, I give you the name of a state Senator who will help your grandparents (and anyone else) and you refuse to even call him? Lazy slug.

Sean Cranley said...

So you think it's O.K. to waste $7 million. Hypoctrite.

Well I did call. I spoke with one of Von Zipperer's staff members and explained my Grandparent's situation and disenfranchisement.

He took their information and said he would pass it along to Senator Amway, I mean Waangard. I asked him what Senator Waangard would do. He said he would put them in touch with the local DMV. I reminded him that going to the DMV IS the problem and that putting them in touch with the DMV, was hardly necessary as they're in the phone book.

I asked if they are they going to need to go to the DMV and he said yes. I asked how that was going resolve the problem and he said he didn't know.

I asked if transportation would be provided and he said he didn't know. I said, well in this case transporation isn't an issue waiting at the DMV is, but what about other people who didn't have transportation, how would they be helped? He said he didn't know.

I said that some people who are in wheel chairs or have other disabilities need specialized transportation, would the senators be making arrangements and paying for that? He said he didn't know.

Empty words, hollow promises and no thought, planning, compassion or consideration given to the problem. Typical Cult of Con nonsense.

I loved this citizen's take. EXCERPT: Resident Emil Glodoski hammered Zipperer for his support of the bill, saying it’s racist and is aimed at suppressing votes. He told the senator the number of people who have actually been caught in the state perpetrating vote fraud wouldn’t even “fill a basketball roster,” yet the number of people who will have their votes suppressed would “fill the Bradley Center two or three times.”

“That’s voter suppression and it moves us into 'Wississippi,'” he said. “(T)his is the first time we’re eliminating voters rights and it’s just racist.”

Von Zipperer responded with the standard absolutist vote canceling false logic. Typical.

Nemo said...

sean, "Empty words, hollow promises and no thought, planning, compassion or consideration given to the problem."

sean, don't you think that getting autobiographical during a comment is a little narcissistic? Heh.

Anonymous said...

Well said. RUSD is disenfranchising the minorities and the poor. Do they really think they can prevent violence by requiring individuals to provide identification at the gate? They must be thinking that the poor and minorities can't afford IDs so maybe they won't show up. Also assuming that the poor and minorities are the most likely to get cause violence. Hey, will Racine be providing free identification for those wanting to attend High School Football games?

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