Friday, December 14, 2007

Pope Benedict and Global Warming

Read it here, prophets of doom: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=501316&in_page_id=1811

Here is my favorite line from the article: "The leader of more than a billion Roman Catholics suggested that fears over man-made emissions melting the ice caps and causing a wave of unprecedented disasters were nothing more than scare-mongering."

I wonder why the Journal Times didn't cover this story.

23 comments:

Caledonication said...

Ha-ha-hoo-hee-ho-ha-hrrmmmm....

What else can I say?

Except that maybe he should get a Nobel prize or something.

Nemo said...

bruhhahaha!

Must resist urge to add extra exclamation point...can't. hold. it.

bruhhahaha!!

Anonymous said...

Denis, in none of your articles do you have a scrap of evidence, because you are too lazy to find out for yourself and you just read whatever you are told by the most right-winged politicians and scientists.

Anonymous said...

This is pointless arguing with you people. We'll get back to you in thirty years or so, then we will see who's right.

Denis Navratil said...

Well then why don't stop reading my blog anon. I don't think anyone is forcing you to read it or to participate in the discussion.

Anonymous said...

Naturally, the Pope's known expertise on climate science, solar radiation diffusion by particulate pollution, and carbon cycling provided the basis for his annoucement. Oh, wait....
I'm sure Jesus told him, isn't so much reassuring then all the scary mathematical models?

colt said...

..."isn't so much reassuring then all the scary mathematical models?"

Colt remembers the scary models that talked of a new ice age, and the hurracane models that spoke of recorded numbers of storms.

Anonymous said...

Man, did you misrepresent this article - par for the course for masters of lies and deceptions...

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The 80-year-old Pope said the world needed to care for the environment but not to the point where the welfare of animals and plants was given a greater priority than that of mankind.

polar bears

Adrift: Polar bears on melting iceberg

"Humanity today is rightly concerned about the ecological balance of tomorrow," he said in the message entitled "The Human Family, A Community of Peace".

"It is important for assessments in this regard to be carried out prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances.

"If the protection of the environment involves costs, they should be justly distributed, taking due account of the different levels of development of various countries and the need for solidarity with future generations.

Anonymous said...

On the contrary:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,2066711,00.html

Protect God's creation: Vatican issues new green message for world's Catholics


· Pope addresses climate change conference
· US church leaders lobby Bush on global warming

John Vidal and Tom Kington in Rome
Friday April 27, 2007
The Guardian

Arctic coastline
An Arctic coastline yesterday where the sea is usually still frozen at this time of year. The Vatican has added its voice to concerns over global warming. Photograph: Francois Lenoir/Reuters


The Vatican yesterday added its voice to a rising chorus of warnings from churches around the world that climate change and abuse of the environment is against God's will, and that the one billion-strong Catholic church must become far greener.

At a Vatican conference on climate change, Pope Benedict urged bishops, scientists and politicians - including UK environment secretary David Miliband - to "respect creation" while "focusing on the needs of sustainable development".

Article continues
The Pope's message follows a series of increasingly strong statements about climate change and the environment, including a warning earlier this year that "disregard for the environment always harms human coexistence, and vice versa".

Observers said yesterday that the Catholic church is no longer split between those who advocate development and those who say the environment is the priority. Cardinal Renato Raffaele Martino, head of the Pontifical Council of Justice and Peace, said: "For environment ... read Creation. The mastery of man over Creation must not be despotic or senseless. Man must cultivate and safeguard God's Creation."

According to Vatican sources, the present Pope is far more engaged in the green debate than John Paul. In the past year Benedict has spoken strongly on the need to preserve rainforests. In the next few weeks he visits Brazil.

"There is no longer a schism. The new interest in climate change and the environment is not surprising really. Benedict comes out of 1960s Germany, where environment and disarmament were major issues. It's conceivable that his ministry could even culminate in a papal encyclical on the environment," said one analyst. This would be the most powerful signal to the world's Catholics about the need for environmental awareness at every level.

Denis Navratil said...

Wow anon, I actually agree with you, sort of. I did not misrepresent the article, I quoted it directly. However, the article that I quoted misrepresented the popes words. I discovered this last night when I read the actual words written by the pope. It was not quite the smackdown of environmentalists that the article I quoted made it seem like. But the pope does states that environmental issues should be studied by experts "uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions." This suggests to me that the pope recognizes that there is presently "idealogical pressure to draw hasty conclusions" which is more or less what I and many others have been saying.

Anonymous said...

Cherry-picking to make Herr Ratzinger say what you want...

I have followed Papal and Vatican writings for 30 years...you are wayyyyyyyyy off base.

Anonymous said...

In a fit of condescension, Denis states that he agrees with a person that he considers beneath him.

Par for the course forthis blog.

Denis Navratil said...

Way to graciously accept that olive branch anon. By the way, I don't think anyone is beneath me.

concrete katie said...

Maybe, Denis, you can pass out spring flowers when they bloom in January. When you do, I want a Panzie. Thank you.

Michael Gibson said...

What the Pope says does not matter in this issue. The Pope is not a scientist. The Pope is also not one of the tens of thousands of scientists around the world who agree on this issue.

Denis Navratil said...

Michael, of course it matters what the pope says on the issue, certainly far more than what you or I have to say. True enough, he is not a scientist. But he is an intellectual and a scholar. And one does not have to be a scientist to recognize that some are seeking a rush to judgement on the issue based on ideological pressure. I don't think we should consider the pope the final word on this issue and neither does he. He is asking for objective scientists to explore the issue. The popes words undermine your main argument, namely that everyone but a few kooks paid by oil companies is already in agreement. Not so Michael.

smallgovsam said...

Aren’t we all forgetting papal infallibility? The pope could not, in all actuality, be mistaken on anything.

He MAKES truth -- with his words.

Denis Navratil said...

Sam, I think papal infallability claims refer only to theological questions. The pope himself called for fair minded experts to explore the issue, thus suggesting that he was not the final authority on the subject.

Michael Gibson said...

Well he is, in my opinion, a bit misguided if he thinks that none of the scientists researching the issue are objective.

Denis Navratil said...

Michael, that is not what the pope said. Scroll up to anon 7:41's post, he/she quoted the pope directly.

smallgovsam said...

Sam, I think papal infallability claims refer only to theological questions. The pope himself called for fair minded experts to explore the issue, thus suggesting that he was not the final authority on the subject.

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Anonymous said...

Get off the Catholic theology...you are all totally ignorant on the subject...

Fr. Anonymous said...

Anon 8:31:

Smoke a turd in hell.