Sunday, March 13, 2011

No Shame

The Journal Times has a photo today of five returning Wisconsin state senators, arms raised in triumph in front of the Wisconsin State Capitol.

Where are the crowds chanting "Shame... Shame... Shame" when you need them?


Anonymous said...

I read a headline yesterday that said the senators were "returning from exile". I'm sure they all walked an old lady across the street on the way back too.

Sean Cranley said...

"Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

Denis Navratil said...

Indeed if people were not permitted to freely associate, I would agree. But they are. Re the collective bargaining, I would disagree with RR as collective bargaining compels another party to bargain. And like there is no crying in baseball, there is no compulsion in freedom. OK, that last sentence is an overstatement insofar as there does need to be some compulsion, as little as possible to maximize freedom. Collective bargaining doesn't make the cut in my view. But you and I digress. The point of this post was the shame, or lack thereof, on the part of Dems.

Sean Cranley said...

Shame? It's the Republicons who have no shame. Why are family values hypocrites John Ensign and David Vitter still GOPster Senators? I could go on and on with legions of examples of bald-faced Republicon Shamelessness!

Walker's actions which are radical to the extreme, totally GOPolitically motivated and on which he DID NOT CAMPAIGN are the latest example of a SHAMELESS hidden agenda, hidden from the people, hidden from the voters, counter-productive to democracy. SHAME UPON HIM!

When do you release information that you don't want the public to take notice of? On a Friday afternoon, like Walker did the Budget Dispair bill. People aren't paying attention, it's the weekend and by Monday it'll be old news. SHAMELESS!

I support 100% the legal action that the 14 took to stop this bill from being rammed through in a few days without debate and without the citizens of the state of Wisconsin having the time to consider it's contents and respond to it.

It's a SHAMEFUL plutocratic power grab of a bill and those that support it should be ASHAMED, were they capable of such an emotion. They are not.

Eric said...

1. SC, how does a Reagan quote that references a Warsaw Pact country being forced to abide by Soviet-style socialism/totalitarianism equate to the public service unions of the US?

2. It seems everybody is devoted to democracy until they're unhappy with the outcome. The "14" are familiar to everyone who has been a child and watched another kid take the ball home to stop everyone else from playing.

3. It is ironic that quarom requirements exist to insure that too small a group of legislators do not abuse their power regarding major legislation, and instead ... a small group of legislators abused their power regarding legislation. This goes back to #2 above, you agreed to the rules before the game, so play by them. There's always a next election.

Sean Cranley said...

1) The Reagan quote had nothing to do with the Polish Union movement that helped to bring an end to the Soviet dictatorship. It was made years before that in a September 1980 Labor Day speech to Americans by presidential candidate Ronald Reagan.

2&3) A regretable extremist measure to be rammed through by the Republicons, met with a regrettable extreme response by the Dems. The whole muddy mess is regrettable, but let's not forget who's muddy mess it is to start with.

I stand by my statement and my explanation for my support of what the 14 felt they had to do to shine the light of day on this radical reactionary power grab and to give time for the citizenry begin to absorb just how horrible this surprise attack is and to respond to it.

Anonymous said...

Sean - recheck your history. You are taking the quote out of context - it is referring to ut of context and was referring to the Polish workers under communism.

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland. The values that have inspired other dissidents under Communist domination. They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost."

The other important fact to remember - Reagan was referring to workers oppressed under Poland's federal government - we have no collective bargaining for federal employees in this country and as far as I can tell, we haven't yet lost freedom. Of course, we're not a communist country.

Eric said...

1) SC, per Tip O'Neil, you're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts,

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." Labor Day 1980, Ronald Reagan

2) Regrettable for sure by those who do not like the most recent democratic outcomes, others are willing to give a new governor more than 2 months to judge whether he's on the right or wrong track

3) The 14 violated the intent of the quorum requirement and stopped democracy. The rule was never intended to be a filibuster-like tool. It is a shame on Wisconsin similar to the Frankenstein-veto.

Sean Cranley said...

1) I stand corrected. My recollection of Solidarity was from the late 80's when the union was instrumental in bringing down the Warsaw Pact Dictatorships.

2&3) I stand by my statements. I held my criticism after the election until he took action. Upon seeing the breadth and nature of Walker's radical actions, I need no further time to render judgment.

Thomas Jefferson said that if democracy ends on election day, you've just elected a king for four years.

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