Tuesday, February 24, 2009

Not Really Black

Kay at Kay's Blue Racine has questioned the blackness of Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele. So I, not wanting to be among the cowardly in our nation, called her on it.

Seemingly, authentic blackness has less to do with skin color or national origin and everything to do with the degree to which you accept liberal orthodoxy.

Reaching this conclusion about black people requires a few intermediate steps. First, you must assume that black people do not possess the intelligence necessary to detirmine their own political viewpoints. Second, you need to assume that black people are not individuals with varied thoughts, upbringings, and experiences but rather are members of a monlithic group with identical cultural experiences that should result in identical political affiliations. And thirdly, you must confer upon yourself the authority as final arbiter of all things black, even if you are a white woman from a small town in Wisconsin.

I don't meet anyone's definition of black, but if I did, I am quite certain I would want nothing to do with people holding such condescending views.

28 comments:

kay said...

well, denis, I just couldn't resist reading what you wrote about me. I have to say I'm pretty damn pleased to see you totally distort my comment. get it right, denis, I said some people might question that". You could at least clip and paste to ensure accuracy.....

Anonymous said...

yes Denis, shut the f*** up you f***ing f***wad f***

colt said...

Kay = needs help

Denis Navratil said...

OK then Kay, here's what you wrote:

"He's black? I think some people might argue that point."

Let us analyze this one sentence at a time. "He's black?" is a question YOU asked (as opposed to some people asking) about a man who is clearly black and you know it. So this was not an inquiry about the mans race. What was it then? Hmmm, could it have been an insinuation that this black man wasn't really black? The second sentence offers a clue. Some people may argue about the mans' authentic blackness, but not Kay, oh no not Kay. She would never suggest that a black man is not really black. Except in the previous sentence that is. She is not one of those "some people." So what is the point of sentence #1 Kay? Why not just write "Some people might think he's not really black." Based on what you wrote it sure appears as though you are one of those people who don't think he is really black. If not, please explain why YOU, in sentence #1, would ask if a person is black when you knew full well that he was.

Anonymous said...

Watch me speed up to run over a cat - then listen as I tell you that isn't what you saw, what you saw was me baking cookies in the kitchen. Isn't it fun to be able to completely ignore facts under threat of derision by the superior moral mondset?

Anonymous said...

Hmm.. let's try an exercise:

SOME people might say the KKK is as harmless as a supper club...

SOME people might argue Bush was a pretty good guy...

Some people bring things up this way so as to distance themselves from the statement they really mean to make.

But not ME

Denis Navratil said...

Kay's truthful? I think some people might argue that point.

Mixter said...

I wish that when people refer to a post on someone else's blog that they would provide a link in order to make it a little easier to see what the hell it is they're talking about...

I can't find it, and I looked; but, I know Kay personally, so I'm going to say this: It's a writing style. Big whoop. If you read anything more into it, that's unfortunate. Unless, of course, you want to point me in the right direction so I can see it for myself...

Mixter

Denis Navratil said...

Mixter, it is entitled "but, he elaborated with a laugh....." and it is the third thread on her blog as of now. Sorry, I am totally inept at computer usage and I have forgotten how to do the linky thing. Feel free to make fun of me for this, I deserve it.

Anyway, check it out for yourself. But dismissing this as a writing style is a bit of a stretch. If words are to have any meaning, well, then you should mean what you write. Now what she wrote is not that big of a deal, I would agree. Plenty of people think that conservative blacks are not really black. I just happen to think it is a condescending attitude towards black people and more than a little bit of an embarrassing revelation for one on the oh so tolerant, compassionate, thoughtful, racially senstive left, that is all.

Anonymous said...

Why would a race of people whom DID NOT come to the United States freely, but IN CHAINS to be sold as animals, why would they want to accept and join the culture of the enslaver?

Denis, you cannot even fathom that concept.

Anonymous said...

This from an article:

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/08/31/Columns/The_paper_bag_test.shtml

"Colorism has a long and ugly history among American blacks, dating back to slavery, when light-skinned blacks were automatically given preferential treatment by plantation owners and their henchmen.

Colorism's history is fascinating: Fair-skinned slaves automatically enjoyed plum jobs in the master's house, if they had to work at all. Many traveled throughout the nation and abroad with their masters and their families. They were exposed to the finer things, and many became educated as a result. Their darker-tone peers toiled in the fields. They were the ones who were beaten, burned and hanged, the ones permanently condemned to be the lowest of the low in U.S. society. For them, even learning - reading, 'riting, 'rithmetic - was illegal.

When slavery ended, light-skinned blacks established social organizations that barred darker ex-slaves. Elite blacks of the early 20th century were fair-skinned almost to the person.

Even today, most blacks in high positions have fair skin tones, and most blacks who do menial jobs or are in prison are dark. Believe it or not, popular black magazines, such as Ebony as Essence, prefer light-skinned models in their beauty product ads."

Denis Navratil said...

Note to anon 1:22, slavery ended about 150 years ago.

Anonymous said...

In response to Anon 1:31.

See? Blacks are the most racist. They are racist against whites and blacks.

Anonymous said...

In chains to be sold as animals - geez, I have to pay a lot of money to see this kind of thing these days. I'm hoping to get some stimulus cash so I can head over to Texas Jay's. I hope they're having chains and chix night.

You win, you have the trump card. But wait, Moses people were enslaved by the Egyptians thousands of years ago. Should Jews remain pissed off about that?

What is the statute of limitations for a minority to be pissed off about something? I'm Irish so I have grounds, plus I'm German and my enslavement goes back a few thousand years. Then again, Germans caused a lot of problems. That's it, I need free health care for the conflicted -

Mixter said...

I see a molehill where y'all see a mountain. Again, I know Kay personally, and I know what you think you see was not her intent, so you can take that for what it's worth. Or with a grain of salt; I couldn't care less which. I think I've shown my true character here over the past month or so...

Mixter

Nemo said...

It may be a molehill, but it seems to have touched a nerve for I have been banned (banished I tells ya!) from Kay's blog for one innocent comment on the link between stereotypes and racism*. Rational peoples have to stand with Denis on this one. Embracing stereotypes is at best lazy thinking and, at worst, a subtle (or not so subtle) endorsement of racism.


*To be fair, I knew I was on thin ice in that echo chamber since questioning Liberals commitment to free speech in a prior comment (on a different thread) and was told to shut-up. Denis, Rich, and even sean (you old rock jock), I'll miss you guys over there as I am now forced to wander the Internet abyss living on the few scraps of ideas that exist outside of Blue Racine. Don't shed a tear for me, I'll get by, somehow.

Anonymous said...

nemo - you need to learn to use the word f*** in some form every third word, then Kay will let you back.

Mixter said...

Wow. I don't even know HOW to ban someone from my blog.

Hey, you can always come to the Mix and get into it with me! :D

Mixter

colt said...

1:22

What's keeping them here? I know that many counties would be very happy to have Afro Americans or anyone else move to there.
Then again the poorest American is far richer (Until Obama gets done) then most Africans.
Also it is nice to have an excuse to fail is it not?
My tribe (Mohawk) was forced to moved hunted and killed yet we take PRIDE in being Americans serving our Nation and do the best we can, try that out might work better then the crack pipe and AFDC

Denis Navratil said...

Nemo, I saw that you got the hook. I like Kay's site because there is some interesting disagreement from time to time. But if all the conservatives get ousted it won't be much fun. You can always pretend to be a liberal and I will argue with you.

Anonymous said...

Denis Navratil said...

Note to anon 1:22, slavery ended about 150 years ago.

...effects do not...

Real Debate said...

Here is a direct link to the comment by Kay.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/wschulz1/389683284321777693/#47039

Or should I say as Kay would...

F*** that F*** F*** Republican F*** N****** F***.

Mixter, you are smart enough to find that for yourself. Don't make excuses for her. If you really knew her you would know of her blind hatred.

Kay is saying he is not really black because he is not a liberal. Nothing new from you libs about someone who thinks for themselves and espouses a conservative philosophy....

Condie Rice = Aunt Jemima
Clarence Thomas = Uncle Tom.

We've heard the racism from the left for years.

Anonymous said...

I am always underwhelmed by the depth shown by bloggers here.


Too bad there is an internet - gives everybody whom can type a vehicle for their uninformed commentary...

Denis Navratil said...

Anon 11:39, is one of the effects of slavery the idea that all blacks should think alike? Sounds a bit like psychological slavery enforced by PC liberals.

Mixter said...

Real Debate: I did go read it prior to making my second comment. Molehill, say I. I know Kay. I talk to her on the phone a few times a week, I have done many an activity with her, I have shared meals and drinks with her... So yeah, I know her. Do you? If all you have is the fact that she's a potty mouth (I've been known to drop an F-bomb or two) and that she's a liberal, you've got nothing. Certainly not enough to state what she's saying. Unless you're a psychic of some sort, but being a skeptic, I kinda doubt that.

AND, I take offense with the "you libs" comment. (You people... there's a great way to engage in conversation!) Read my blog once in a while before you decide to sock me with crap like that; then, if you have any sense at all, you'd think twice before doing it.

Mixter

Anonymous said...

The "culture of the enslaver" - As I recall, it was the Republican Party that freed the slaves - as much as Barack Hussein Obama would like to appropriate the legacy of Lincoln for the Democrats, we all know the truth - all of us but the uneducated hoodwinked by Obama.

On the other side, we have that elder statesman of the Democratic Party, Robert Byrd, a former Grand Knight of the Klu Klux Klan. It was the Democrats who tried to stop the civil rights act, and it was the Republicans who fought for it, and ultimately passed it.

Now, tell me again who represents the "culture of the enslaver."

Nemo said...

Mixter, can't we tell what Kay is saying by reading what she is saying? Had she not posted her thoughts, you would be correct in that you would need to be a psychic of some sort. But she did. And we know. She could have retracted the comment and all would have been nothing more than a molehill. She chose instead to try to defend her statement which got me thinking. Is it possible for someone to act in a bigoted fashion and not even know it? Even when the offence is pointed out and explained? The signs seem to point to yes.

Anonymous said...

. . . and Holder and Obama boldly - not cowardly - checked the "black" box on every school application, every job application, every grant proposal, . . .